Healing with Chinese Philosophy with Dr. Paul C. Wang
In this episode, Dr. Paul C. Wang delves into the application and technical expression of acupuncture and TCM and its roots in Chinese Philosophy. Dr. Wang explains how Chinese philosophy uses holographic relationships between different parts of the body to create a shift towards health. We also explore how acupuncture is rooted in something much deeper than we think, cosmology.
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Dr. Paul C. Wang is a Doctor of Acupuncture and Chinese Medicine and a California Acupuncture Board Licensed Acupuncturist. Blending principles and practices from the rich traditions of martial arts, meditation, mysticism, and medicine with modern insights. Dr. Wang has shared his experience and expertise with patients and students over the last two decades in more than 20 countries. In this age of individual, social, and ecological distress, he believes wellness is a creative process of restoring natural simplicity within complexity.
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Katie Beecher, Nadeya Hassan
Nadeya Hassan 00:00
Thank you so much for joining me today, I'm really excited to delve into this exploration with you about the work that you do being a medical and spiritual intuitive. I have so many questions for you and I'm really excited for the people who are joining us today to also be able to hear about the work that you're doing. So, so let's let's just get started. Let's jump right in. Let's start with you and your background and the work that you do and how you got into this.
Katie Beecher 00:34
Well, a lot of people ask me, "what is medical intuition", and I am able to see into people's bodies and their psyches, if you will, and their energy and tell them about what's going on, and also get into the root causes. So it could be physical things, emotional things, spiritual things. A lot of times it has to do with their relationships, or trauma or childhood experiences, with their career paths. Everything that you've experienced, and everything you're experiencing now can potentially impact negatively your health and wellness and also positively. So we look at everything, well, I look at everything. We (when I say we, I mean my guides)...my guides do most of the work. But you know, we look at everything and then come up with a report that I give to people before I meet with them. I just use a name and age. So I create a report and then I create a symbolic painting as well. I send that to people before meeting. And then we discuss everything there and what's going on in people's lives. And then we come up with a plan to see what people can do to connect to their intuition and strengthen their abilities and help remedy the things that aren't going well. And really a whole whole person approach.
Nadeya Hassan 02:10
Hmm. I'm so curious when you said we, you know, you're referring to your guides. How does that information come to you? How is it communicated to you? How do your guides communicate to you?
Katie Beecher 02:24
Sure. So..A lot of people who do this kind of work or medium work or whatever, they know their guides, names and things like that, I never have known my guides names. I just know that when I see them, or when I picture them in my head, if I do meditation, and I ask to speak with them, I see kind of a panel. So I'm sitting in a chair and then I see sort of a half circle, and I see a lot of people and then I see people behind them so it's kind of an army of people guiding me and I think we all have, we all have guides, we all have people protecting us and helping us. I think my main one is a male who's Native American, think he was kind of high up and whatever he did at some point. And then I know there's a woman who is Hispanic in origin. And then there's another Native American woman. My grandmother is certainly one of my guides, but I don't ever really see other than my grandmother, I don't really see their faces, my mom's another guide. So most of the time, it's just kind of like words in my head, or I will see pictures of something or I'll see a picture of a word, or I will have a feeling in my own body or I'll see a symbol. So I'm really lucky because I get information in a lot of different ways. But it's not like I'll have a big flash of light and, you know, it's this big mystical, sort of thing. I've learned to just be open and let the information flow and sometimes it feels like it's coming from kind of an external source. And sometimes it feels like it's just coming from within me and a lot of times people don't believe that they're connecting to their intuition because it doesn't feel big and mystical and, and huge and it doesn't have to. Did that answer your question?
Nadeya Hassan 04:42
Katie Beecher 04:44
So weird things. It's weird to describe.
Nadeya Hassan 04:46
Yeah, mystical experiences are very hard to describe.
Katie Beecher 04:51
They are. People have said you know, how can you be so accurate? How can you do what you do? And I Honest to God, don't know. I might I wish I could explain it, you know?
Nadeya Hassan 05:07
So how did it all start and when?
Katie Beecher 05:10
Well, I've always been able to pick up beings. I've always been able to pick up other people's thoughts and feelings, I kind of knew what people were thinking even as a young child, I was really, really super sensitive. And I was I was able to pick up negativity, so negative people and their feelings. And then I started to be more conscious of being able to pick up just spirits. So, you know, people's thoughts and feelings that I knew were not of this world. And then I became more conscious of picking up negativity and evil, and that really scared me. So I turned away from any abilities I had. And then, when I was 16, I had bulimia. And I did not ask my parents for help, because they really weren't very supportive. I came from a pretty dysfunctional family. But again, I believe this was divine intervention. So I called their pediatrician and told them what I was doing. And I asked for help. And he gave me the name of a therapist, and I had a job and a car. So I got myself there and started working really hard. And she was the person who helped me to accept my gifts and my abilities. I went to a Jungian therapist and Jung is very accepting of intuition. So, fortunately, part of that therapy is helping you to connect to your intuition and self love and self acceptance and getting to know yourself. So that was a big step in that direction and then I became a therapist and started using it in my work, just connecting to intuition and getting information about people. And then 10 years ago, my mom got a flu shot and became paralyzed from it. She since passed away from that. And that changed my life because I took care of her and it really turned my life upside down. And the work I had been doing really just wasn't that gratifying anymore. And it made me search for other things. And long story short, I took a workshop with a really well known medical intuitive and discovered that I had these abilities and sort of been doing it ever since. Found a new life purpose in my 40s.
Nadeya Hassan 07:53
Different intuitives can take different directions with their abilities. Would you say that your experience surviving bulimia and also your experience with your mother passing away... Is that what guided you towards wanting to work in the medical field?
Katie Beecher 08:13
Yes, definitely. When I was 16, my guides said with intuition, self acceptance and self love, you can heal from anything. So they told me I'd be doing some sort of work writing the book, I'm writing now everything and then I've always been interested in medicine. I almost became a doctor - I went pre med. But I knew with the bulimia that I just wouldn't survive medical school, basically, but I've always really been interested in it. And that's why I went into the therapy field, but I've just always been really interested in the body. So it was kind of a natural progression.
Nadeya Hassan 08:49
Mm hmm. Wow. So I'm curious, I want to I want to get a little bit more into the topic that we're going into and that is uncovering the root cause of disease. And I guess throughout your years and all of this experience and everyone that you've been working with, what have you learned as being the root cause of disease? And I think we can look at it almost as the mind body spirit sort of connection. And if you were to kind of take that framework, what would you say is the root cause of disease? I know each individual person is very different. Another thing is like, what are the patterns that you usually see, from person to person, something maybe that you've been seeing along the years of doing this?
Katie Beecher 09:43
I have to say that no matter what people come to me for, some people come to me, they don't have any presenting symptoms. They just want to learn more about themselves and their intuition. But the people who come to me with presenting symptoms it's often physical symptoms, sometimes it's the emotional. But I honestly have to say that no matter what they come to me for, I always uncover physical emotional and spiritual root causes. So, not everybody recognizes that and a lot of people will just be like, "tell me what herbs use", "tell me what supplements to use" or "tell me how to fix this". And it always gets down to well, when did it start? Why did this start? What's been going on in your life? What trauma have you not healed from? There's an awful lot of people who have not been authentic, don't know who they are, have not been encouraged to be themselves don't have a voice, are in relationships where they're not being treated well, where they know they have to get out and haven't had the courage or waiting until they lose weight or until they feel better or until their financial situation gets better to get out. And it can't wait. You know, I mean, there's some situations that are just, you know, you don't have the money right now and, and things like that. But you can still start taking steps to make your life better. But no matter what, there's always a spiritual and emotional component. And I have to say that what I've noticed, even in my own life is that so much of it gets down to self love and self acceptance and not listening to intuition, you know, it really is what my guides told me. Because if you're doing what's best for you, and you're being authentic, your intuition does not have to send you symptoms, to get your attention to make changes.
Nadeya Hassan 11:52
It's almost like a wake up call. Your body starts reacting to this wake up call.
Katie Beecher 11:58
Yes, very much. And I'm not saying people cause their own illness, but I think that when you're not listening, and you're overworking yourself, or you're not taking care of yourself or something like that, your body gives you signals your intuition gives you signals and you can choose to listen or not.
Nadeya Hassan 12:14
Yeah, so very true. Can it take form in two different ways. So with the physical illness like an actual physical disease, say anything from chronic pain to cancer, these are diseases that manifest within the body. Which is a very physical experience. And then what about when it comes to mental health illnesses and conditions of depression and anxiety? Sometimes I believe it seems very hard for some people to be able to understand exactly where their depression can come from, you know, you wake up one day, and you're sad, but you don't really know why you're sad. What are the sessions with when you have people who are coming to you for something that's going on emotionally and mentally versus somebody who's coming in to see you for something that's going on physically?
Katie Beecher 13:25
I have to say, there's not a lot of differentiation. It really gets down to the same, the same kinds of factors of, you know, how are you not listening to what you need to do not loving yourself or not taking care of yourself? Yeah, it can also manifest in the form of accidents. You know, falling and hurting yourself or, or things like that, again, it's your body or your intuition giving you signals that you need to pay attention, you need to make changes and then I've also seen cases where an illness - especially a chronic illness or cancer or something like that - affects an entire family. Or addictions to like you're impacting an entire family. So entire family systems may need to make changes, and sometimes people will ask about kids, you know, kids getting sick. I'm not going to try to explain why kids get sick or why things happen because I don't have those answers. And it's certainly real, and it it doesn't discount these physical things that happen. But I've seen things happen where entire families are changed, you know, and they're changed for the better or that family ends up doing incredible things to help maybe millions of people or thousands of people or just their community. So these things don't happen in a vacuum. And it's really kind of fascinating. If you look at in totality.
Nadeya Hassan 14:54
How is the experience of people or their reactions once you start tracing back exactly where their illnesses are coming from. I'm sure a lot of them are like, "no, that can't be true". Where do you see a lot of kind of doubt? Actually not usually more people like, oh, wow, I never thought of it that way. At first thing I sometimes would be like, I'm not sure why you're asking me that. But most people because they come to me they're usually pretty open. But I get a lot of, "Oh, I never thought of that". Or "I didn't think those two were connected" or, "Wow, I have goosebumps" so their reactions are pretty awesome, actually. Yeah, but it must be difficult sometimes for some people to hear that the root cause of their illness, self love or self acceptance. You know, it's really hard to hear because self love is something that doesn't, you know, it's not an a supplement. You can't, you can't heal yourself from self love or, or love yourself through a pill.
Katie Beecher 15:56
It's so hard because when I was getting better from bulimia, that was the hardest part of getting better. It was to love myself, it wasn't stopping the behavior, it was learning to love myself, because I didn't think I was worth it. And when you've been taught your whole life that you're not worthy of that, or you don't deserve it, people are like, "where do I start?" "I don't even know who I am never mind loving myself, what if I don't like anything about myself? Where do I start?" You know, and it's so much easier to just like you said, take a pill or something, and they just think, "How can this even be relevant?" I mean, they get it. And that's why sometimes listening to intuition can be so scary, because you know what you need to do. But doing what your intuition is telling you to do might just be terrifying. But you don't you don't have to listen immediately. You know, you could open to it and take baby steps.
Nadeya Hassan 16:48
Yeah, yeah, that's very interesting. And going back to the root cause of disease... I love looking at the different philosophies and different approaches that different cultures take on and one that I've looked into has been the Tibetan Buddhist approach on what is the cause of disease. And when I was in Nepal back in January, I spent some time with a Tibetan Yogi, a tantric Yogi, and his name is Machig Rinpoche and one of the things that he told me was that when it comes to illness and disease, the three causes of it are karmic debt. So this is basically the karma based off of all of your previous lifetimes, and how that plays into effect into your current life. And so maybe something that you did in a past life, for example, maybe you broke a lot of hearts, right, you're a heartbreaker. And then in the next life - I'm not saying that this is what he's said, this is just a really silly example - But you broke a lot of hearts, so you're a heartbreaker and then maybe in the next if you have heart problems, you know, so I mean that's just one one concept of it so karmic debt. And then another one is spiritual attachment. And so he explained it as different spirits can see a weakness in you or they can see something that they want in you and so they attach themselves to you and their attachment starts to create this, this disease. And then the third one is (karmic debt, spiritual attachment) and... I'm blanking on the third one right now.
Katie Beecher 18:43
Of course, because we're live, yeah, right.
Nadeya Hassan 18:45
Of course, I've blanked them the third one. It'll come back to me later. But yeah, so he spoke on it as being three different ways that disease can manifest in the body. Oh, sorry. And the last one I know it was coming! The last one is our external conditions. So the environment and how that interacts with our physical body. So you can see more of that as being something that you can cure. If it's something that's within our environment, we can change our environment. When it comes to spiritual attachment, maybe someone will go to a shaman or maybe they'll go to a priest, you know, maybe for an exorcism, or whatever it is. And then karmic debt is something that we have to just work on throughout our lifetime. Like that is our life goal. That is our mission here. And I'm just curious, what are your thoughts on that?
Katie Beecher 19:40
Um, the whole karma thing is fascinating to me. And the whole reincarnation thing is so fascinating to me. And there's been experiences in my life that have made me really believe in that concept. You know, no one can prove it, but there's certainly been experiences where I've been like, that makes a lot of sense. As far as spiritual attachment stuff, I think there are conditions that lead to being vulnerable to spirit attachment. And those would be like an addiction, where you have given up yourself or where severe mental illness or where you have openly allowed, like negative negative spirits into your life. Now, where I kind of differ on a lot of people is I don't I think we have a lot more control over our lives and over energy and of ourselves, then a lot of people give us credit for some people in this in this world give us credit for and one of the things that connecting to intuition is that I learned that as long as I'm connected to love in that I'm always protected. So I control my energy and I think That, even when you're picking up other people's energy, it doesn't mean that you're actually picking it up or it's connected to you. It's just that you're, you're feeling some of that. So you're in control. Yeah. I don't think we need unless we're in a, in a state where we can't control our own energy. I don't think we need anybody else to, to break spirit attachments or to, you know, like, I think that's giving your power over to somebody else. I think there's people in this line of work, if you will, who want people to be dependent on them, who want you to pay them money to do this work to do you know, like you need them and you don't. And a very important part of what I do is empowering people to listen to their own intuition to use their own power, you know, to connect with their own power and to find out who they are, you know, to be strong within themselves. So that's my philosophy on that. And then our environment absolutely impacts us, you know, like mold and chemicals and I believe in non toxic living and and certainly all those things you know, who may be susceptible and who may not be susceptible? Certainly depends on the state of your immune system, and what you may need to learn spiritually or not learn spiritually, but you also bring up a really cool point in there's a lot of cultures who believe in something called like a spiritual awakening or spiritual crisis. Rather than mental illness, for example. And the concept of that is that with people who are learning about their intuitive gifts, or having an emotional connection to somebody for the first time, and instead of knowing what that's about or being alert to it, they have what looks like mental health symptoms, and there's cultures that celebrate that, and help people to learn about what is this spiritual awakening instead of our culture where it's like, okay, let's give you medicine and label you with mental illness.
Nadeya Hassan 23:18
And so how do how do people connect to themselves when it comes to this when it really comes to healing? How do you use your intuition? I think that's like one of the most challenging things for a lot of people
Katie Beecher 23:35
It is, it is. One of the concepts that I think is really important is just to be open on intuition and fear can make you very confused. So, fear is more something that makes you feel uneasy, makes you feel feel afraid, you know, makes you feel like you maybe shouldn't be listening to this where Intuition is reassuring, it may still tell you things that you might be afraid of doing. But it's reassuring, you know, it makes you feel safer, gives you more important, you know, important information, things like them. One of my favorite techniques for connecting with intuition is doing what I call a written dialogue. This is a youngin thing. I didn't invent it, but it's writing to your intuition or your body and just asking you a question, or just saying, Is there something that you'd like to tell me, so writing that out, the writing part is important. And then just listening for what you hear back and writing that down. And then writing back to it and then listening for you hear again, write that down. Write back to it for as long as you feel like doing it. And you're having a written dialogue just like you would a friend and by doing the writing piece number one, you have to stop what you're doing. So what do you mean by that? Well, you can't walk around and bright, most people can't Anyway, you know, and so it, you kind of have to stop what you're doing it, it helps to filter out a lot of that kind of thought stuff that goes on every day the overthinking stuff. And just the act of reading helps us kind of focus in on what we're asking what we're listening to. So it becomes a mindfulness meditation is very grounding. And it just helps us to connect with that intuitive voice so that you can learn what that voice sounds like, you know, versus like fear or versus just thinking about what we need to do that day or, or worrying about your kids or, you know, all that other stuff. Um, and when I do readings with people I explain in detail how to do that, but that's something that really was instrumental in helping me heal from bulimia. helped me my whole life. I still do it.
Nadeya Hassan 26:02
Yeah, yeah, it's almost like building trust with yourself again. And I feel like trusting ourselves is something that we're never really taught to do. I feel like as we grow up in our culture, the social construct, almost teaches us to always believe in something outside of ourselves. It tells us to believe in someone else, it tells us to believe in the doctor like the doctor knows best. And you know, of course, the doctor does know. And I'm not saying that the doctor doesn't know. But everyday we've grown up to believe in listening to some someone else or something else. And so this is really, I feel like the writing what you're suggesting is a training. It's training ourselves to listen to our voice again and to trust ourselves and and that's where the magic happens. I feel like that's when you really start to see change. I noticed that whenever I journal, whenever I'm stuck on something I just start writing. And that's when my answer comes. Exactly. Yeah, it's a big difference between trying to do it in your head and trying to do it in writing. When you're not able to write, though, doing the writing does help you to be able to listen in your head as well. So, yeah, you know, but it's just kind of being open and allowing those thoughts and those feelings instead of pushing them down to being afraid of them. Yeah, that's very true. And another question I have for you is I know that something that you've said before was that we have the ability to, for our bodies to manifest and an illness or a disease. And so one thing that I've always been looking into is, you know, you know, Joe Dispenza? He talks about placebo effect. And he also talks about the nocebo effect and how our minds are powerful enough to be able to create diseases but but it's also very powerful. We in our brains, we have our own pharmacopoeia, where we can create all of these chemicals, where we can start to facilitate healing in ourselves and even when it comes to nocebo, so, nocebo effect is where you also get the negative harmful effects. So, there have been studies of a cancer patient. You know, they've never received chemotherapy before. And the doctor starts explaining to them what's going to happen to them, you know what they can expect. And then in the car on the way to their first chemotherapy session, they're already experiencing nausea. They already start, you know, throwing up, it's because it's been ingrained in their head that this is going to happen, and then their body starts reacting. What are your thoughts on that? And how do I mean when it comes to writing and listening to your body and listening to yourself to heal yourself? That's one way to do it. And then what about the one way of just thinking?
Katie Beecher 29:26
I've seen so many cases of people who have both healed themselves and made themselves worse through thoughts. You know, I know somebody who was told they would need a liver transplant because their liver stopped working and it was irreversible and through thoughts and determination they not only got off all medication, but they did not lead to liver transplant, their liver damage started reversing itself and this is 10 years later. There. Still here, and they're healthier than ever. So, I mean, that's an extreme case, but it's, you know, it's real. I mean, it's, it's real. So, um, and then also people who, for whatever reason, either didn't feel they were worthy of healing, or were afraid of what healing would mean, great example is someone who - this is kind of a composite - and I can think of people who maybe were in a really abusive relationship, you know, or, or in a relationship that they needed to get out of, for whatever reason, and they were very sick. So they were they were tied to that relationship and that economic situation. And I would say, well, what do you want to do when you get better? How do you envision your life? And they were so terrified of what that would mean, you know, getting out on their own. Maybe going back to school, maybe starting the business, they wanted to start wherever they were so terrified of that, that that state kept them sick. You know, so our minds and our psyches are very, very powerful things.
Nadeya Hassan 31:21
Yeah, it's very true. I was reading about a man who was diagnosed with lung cancer. And the doctor told him that he was going to die in eight months. And so he told the doctor "All I want to do is I want to make it until Christmas. Can you try and keep me alive until Christmas" and the doctor said, "I'll try as much as I want as I can". And so Christmas time came, the guy ends up going back to visit his doctor and they do a chest X ray and they find that the man has pneumonia. And so once he found that out, he started to prepare himself to die because the doctor had told him he was going to die. His family started preparing for his death. Everyone was really getting ready and planning his funeral doing all the things. And then with the pneumonia, it was almost like, you know, it almost kicked it off even more. Everyone's just expecting him to die, and then two weeks later, he passes away. And when they did the autopsy on his body, they realized that it wasn't the cancer that actually caused him to die. They checked the chest x rays again, and the x rays were actually incorrect. He didn't actually have pneumonia. And what they ended up concluding was that he didn't die of any illness. He died from pure thought of because he was gonna die. Yeah, because everybody in his environment believed that he was going to die that it just it happened! And that's kind of a scary thing. It's really scary when you're sick, you know, my dad, he passed away from stage four lung cancer and brain cancer. When he he died, the only thing that really kept him alive was the fact that he was so strong and the support system that he had around him, especially me, you know, I always, I never tried to treat him like he was sick. I always told him, "No, you're fine, you're fine. You're gonna be okay." And I really believe that just changing that mindset is what really helped him.
Katie Beecher 33:52
When I had Lyme disease, I found out that I had Lyme. I had every co-infection under the sun. I had chronic fatigue virus. I probably had it since I was a kid. I grew up next to Lyme, Connecticut. And first I was really scared. And then I decided, I'm not going to be a patient. I'm not going to label any of my symptoms with "my", so I'm not going to take ownership. I'm not going to use word lyme. You know, I did everything I need to address it, whatever. But I was able to recover without antibiotics. I recovered, quickly, fully recovered. I happen to have somebody who is very, very, very good at what they did and has been dealing with Lyme since before Lyme was the thing. And then I addressed all the spiritual stuff, I addressed the emotional stuff, nutritional stuff, and I'm just like, I'm not having this, and I'm getting better. And I'm not going to be a patient. I'm not going to be a "lymey" or whatever. You know what I mean? I'm just not doing that. So I know my attitude made a big difference.
Nadeya Hassan 34:46
Hmm. And so you've said not really identifying with the disease. Not claiming it because once you claim it, then it's like it's yours, right?
Katie Beecher 34:55
Yeah, exactly. You know, I'm not a patient. I'm not that doesn't identify me.
Nadeya Hassan 35:03
So with your client, what is the prescription for them usually or how do you diagnose them?
Katie Beecher 35:18
So legally and ethically I can't diagnose. But what I do is I will identify symptoms or identify things that I see - traits characteristics, whatever things in their past - and then they will often confirm what I've identified. Sometimes they don't know if something and I will identify that. And then at that point, we will talk about what can we do about these things. So spiritually, emotionally, what can we do to help make these things better what lifestyle changes do you need to make? You know, do I continue to work with you in terms of counseling type of stuff, or spiritual guidance type of stuff, what supplements and dietary changes? What nutritional changes can we do? And then as far as like anything sort of medical, there's some physicians and people that I work with, or I help them find mostly alternative practitioners who can verify what I've found, do additional testing, and then do some light treatment type stuff as well. So I like the concept of working with a team because, you know, I can't medically treat them, obviously, but I can, you know, make suggestions but I like it when I hear from people "Oh, yeah, we did this testing and guess what all the stuff that you told me was there was there" and this is, you know, that's incredible. Yeah, no, but it's it's important. I don't ever want some to substitute my intuition for theirs, you know, I don't ever want to tell somebody, I feel like you've been sexually abused and they don't feel like they have like, that's not fair. And people do that, you know? I'm just not okay. And so working as a team then helps me have a team approach with people. And it's, it's pretty great.
Nadeya Hassan 37:20
Yeah. What do conventional allopathic doctors usually say about the work you do? I'm sure once they, once they realize that their patient, you know, you said the right thing, and they test them they're like "WHAT!?"
Katie Beecher 37:35
Most of the people I work with are not allopathic. But more and more people are open to it, especially if I have to go to a regular doctor and they ask what I do, and I explain it, they're like, "Oh, that's interesting. Tell me more about that". So that's kind of neat. I'm not going to people who wouldn't be open to it anyway. Um, but yeah, it's pretty gratifying and cool. And because of my clinical background, I'm also licensed counselor. It was really important to me to have what I do proven. So I did a little mini study. And it was published in a peer reviewed journal, the editors and MD, and we did a quiz/study type thing with about 72 of my clients, and asked them, how much of my findings were accurate? What wasn't... that kind of thing. And then we also had a group of them who got their records from their doctor and sent them to me and gave me permission to send them to the doctor and have the doctor comment on things and my accuracy. So I was found to be 97% accurate with this group of people, which was pretty cool. And then it got published in a journal. So that was really important. To me to get information out there and a lot of other medical intuitives and people thanked me for doing that, because it helps to, you know, give what we do some credibility. And there's not, there's not a lot of research out there about medical intuition. When I was looking for studies, I found some things about nursing and intuition, which was great, but there's, I couldn't find anything about physicians and intuition, which was really kind of sad to me. But most nurses are females. So is it more acceptable for females to have intuition and use it? You know, there's that.
Nadeya Hassan 39:36
Yeah. Yeah. I'm curious. Have you ever worked with doctors in helping them with their intuition?
Katie Beecher 39:43
Um, as far as helping them use it for like clients and things like that? A lot of people will send me cases where they're just like, these people aren't getting better. There's more to this. You know, can you can you help me look into this more? Are there spiritual, emotional things going on? So, so that's very fun. I work the person who helped me with Lyme, a lot in that regard. So, um, but yeah, that would be really interesting. That'd be a fun, fun thing to do.
Nadeya Hassan 40:14
Yeah, it would be I actually went to I went to an integrative medicine healthcare conference in San Diego last year and one of the, one of the speakers there spoke on medical intuition. And everyone that was there in the room was filled with MD's. And so I do think that this is something that's growing and I think that a lot of these doctors are starting to open up and realize that a lot of the things that they were trained in, in medical school can only go so far. You know, there's a limit to it. And there is something that's just so innate in ourselves being humans that we can connect to and I think that, everyone in the medical field nurses and doctors, once they're able to connect to that... Gosh, I can only imagine.
Katie Beecher 41:10
I think all the best doctors and nurses and nurse practitioners, the best of them are already are using their intuition. You know, I really do and they may not label it intuition. But I think that they may label it as experience or whatever. But I really think it's their their medical intuition, because we all have it. We all have it. If you if you start to get a symptom, you have to decide is this bad enough to go to the doctor? Do I take a pill? Do I need to rest like you're using your medical intuition? all the time?
Nadeya Hassan 41:40
Yeah, that is very true. Has there ever been a time when maybe what you said to someone it actually wasn't true, or maybe it didn't work? Or maybe the treatment that they ended up doing after seeing you it was just unsuccessful and they've had to come back to you and you've had to continue to work on them. Or anytime where what you originally had thought was the root cause of their disease ended up not being the thing that you originally had thought it was.
Katie Beecher 42:17
There's been a few really, really tough cases where I knew they were very, very tough cases where people have had things for a long time, or they literally tried, you know, everything and hasn't happened a lot, fortunately, but there's been a very few where the things that I suggested maybe helped a little, you know, or they, they helped some but they didn't solve the problem and maybe the problems weren't solvable. You know, maybe it was just too difficult for the case was too difficult. For the practitioners that I sent them to weren't able to help either, you know, people I have a lot of faith in, and I can probably count those on one finger that I know of, sometimes you may not know, you know, um, but those are difficult. Those are really difficult because I, I really care about what I do. And I really set out to help people. And there's, there's some cases where maybe in the first session, I'm not able to pinpoint exactly what's going on. And in those cases, I might meet with them again and not charge them for a second session because maybe I want to spend some time with my guides outside of that. And then we meet again, and I'm like, "Okay, this is what I think is going on" and and then we make some headway, you know, um, but, and sometimes, the reports and even the information I get can be difficult to interpret for me because I get information for people that they're related to or people they care about our people they're thinking about. So I always kind of have to ask, if this piece of information doesn't sound accurate for you, does it relate to somebody you know, or family history, or something like that. So that's why we we discussed the reports in a lot of detail. Because I've learned just to, accept the information, and then we'll talk about it later on. Instead of, you know, overthinking it myself. Yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't happen a lot. But it's really hard when I'm not able to, to help people, but it does happen.
Nadeya Hassan 44:37
And then what about for, like you said some more of those severe cases. So say, like, let's take my dad, for example, lung cancer. You know, this is something that really runs deep. And I think that one thing is that there are so many root causes of disease. And maybe not always we can just narrow it down into one, one thing, and that there's so many other causative factors that influence our health. And there's layers upon layers upon layers that sometimes it must be difficult for you to have to navigate and understand. Alright, which one is it? Like, how do we work through that? You know, I'm sure it's, it's really, it must be difficult.
Katie Beecher 45:26
It's often multiple. You're making a good point, because there's people who come to me in very advanced stages of disease sometimes, and I know that they're not going to make it. And I don't say that to them. I'm very honest with people, but at the same time, I'm not going to be like, yeah, I feel like you're not gonna make it because then I'm robbing them of that possibility. You know, it's like we talked about earlier. So maybe my job in that case isn't to save them. Maybe it's to to help them resolve some things I need to resolve before they go or help them resolve some relationships that are difficult or make peace with some things or, you know, maybe that's my job. So I try to just let the sessions go as they're meant to go and not put my own agenda into them, and really try and listen to them and figure out what they need and what they want.
Nadeya Hassan 46:28
Well, I'm sure that must be really challenging for them to hear, you know, for the message to be that they're not going to make it.
Katie Beecher 46:35
I mean, yes, and no, I think, you know, I've been a therapist for 30 years so I kind of understand I'm certainly not in charge. We're not in charge. And I, I don't think of death necessarily, as something horrible for the person who's going I very much feel for the people who are going to miss that person and be grieving breathing. But I think that for those people who are in pain who've been sick for a long time, you know, maybe it's something they want something they're ready for, you know, so, and even people who are in the throes of addiction, or there's a lot of reasons people are in pain, and sometimes that pain can be the greatest gift, because it's huge motivation for change. You know, my job isn't isn't to take away that pain. It's to figure out what can I do to help enable you so that you get better and you love yourself and feel good about things?
Nadeya Hassan 47:42
And this brings me to another question that I have. What is death? What is the dying process? I'm sure you have an interesting perspective on this?
Katie Beecher 48:03
I do think I definitely know that we don't just die. You know, it's not just a final thing. I can certainly communicate with people who have passed. I know that they're still with us. Like I said, I have reason to believe in reincarnation. Just because I've hypnotized people and have them have had them tell me things about past life things that are in so much detail, you know, and there's so much if it's not their reincarnation experience, it's one hell of an accurate movie. You know. It's pretty fascinating stuff. So, I think it's just we're here to do whatever we needed to do and we can be open to the lessons we're here to learn or not. And if we're not open to that, then we have to keep coming back. And that can be different for everybody. I think everybody evolves. You know, but I don't know, I just I don't think it's, I don't look at it as necessarily a bad thing. Because I think you go somewhere where you're not in pain anymore. If you were, you know, you're not in pain and you're with people you love. And if you're lucky, you know, people like believe in a purgatory type place. I do believe that your life is shown to you and you have to deal with what you've done when you are here. You know, I do think it's, there's a forgiving God and forgiving spirits and all that kind of stuff, but there's no action without other actions. You know, there's there's karma in there. There are consequences that we can do. We can't hurt people without having to deal with that in some way.
Nadeya Hassan 50:08
Yeah, yeah. It's very true. And so I guess on more of a light sided conversation. What would you say has been your most interesting moments or your most fun or even most mystical experiences?
Katie Beecher 50:30
So one of my very favorites is I was doing A reading for a five year old boy who is severely autistic, he didn't speak. And I didn't know anything, except that he was five. And I knew his name, and I was doing a report and painting. So I sat down to do his painting. And normally my paintings are of something recognizable like a figure, a plant and animal, something like that. And my guides told me to draw a firetruck. I'm like okay. So it was a firetruck, there was a fireman guy on the top and he was shooting water into this really tall building. And there's flames coming out of the building and all that. And I saw a hose on the side of the truck. And I was trying to draw the hose and I couldn't and I just made an ass. And I said to myself is a Superman's firetruck. What is this? This is really weird, but I know enough to just let it go let it happen. So I sent it to my client. And with tears in her eyes, she said, "Can you explain what this drawing is about?" And so I told her exactly what I told you. She said right before I had my son. We had a horrible fire. I lived in apartment building. We were on one of the top floors. We lost everything. And she said she was absolutely devastated. And she thought her life was over. She didn't want to live anymore, and went to this huge depression. And then I found out that I was pregnant with my son and that pregnancy saved my life. And having him, you know, as challenging as it is he's just he saved my life. And I wanted people in his influence to understand how he made me feel and how much good he's brought into my life and I wanted other people to be able to feel that. And she said, he was my Superman. And she said, his middle name is actually Superman's middle name. So, when I said Superman to her, she was just like, bawling it out. And I had goosebumps, and it takes a lot for me, because I've done this, you know, so many times, but I was like, wow, wow.
Nadeya Hassan 52:49
So that was a really, that was that was quite a wild one. I have to say, yeah, that was one of my more, more meaningful ones that you know, that really stands out. Why do you think that message specifically came to her for her session?
Katie Beecher 53:12
That's a really good question. Maybe because what my guides are telling me now is that obviously caring for her son, you know, being so profoundly autistic is unbelievably challenging. And, you know, on a daily basis, I mean, that's just such a difficult thing. And she worries about him so much and I think maybe it just reinforced how much he means to her and what a gift he is. And she had the reading for him because she was worried about his future and was worried about symptoms that he was having. And so it was such a positive part of the reading. Not everybody's positive anyway, and things like that. But it, it was such a, it was such a positive thing. And I think it was there to reinforce just, you know, all of the wonderful things about him for her.
Nadeya Hassan 54:11
Yeah. And I think that's what people need to hear. Sometimes I think that can almost be the one thing that can help facilitate someone's healing is just, yeah, remembering something just so positive in their life. That's why it's like the practice of gratitude is just so important. On our health in our in our in our healing.
Katie Beecher 54:36
Yeah. Like the person I worked with just before I had this call with you. She said, I haven't felt hopeful for a long time. And she said that this is such a gift to be able to feel that way. And I was like, yay, I did my job!
Nadeya Hassan 54:56
Yeah. Oh, wow. What you're doing is so incredible. If you could give one piece of advice to someone or a lot of many of us who are suffering from mental health and both physical illnesses. What advice would you offer them? And what could you give to the world?
Katie Beecher 55:20
I think what comes to mind is self love it's really work on loving and accepting yourself exactly the way you are now. You don't have to change there's nothing wrong with you. Don't wait until you feel like you have to meet some sort of standard. You know you are lovable right now. You don't have to wait a certain amount. You don't have to look a certain way. You don't have to whatever, just start now. It's little baby steps. It's not gonna happen overnight, but into the way that you talk to yourself. Pay attention to your thoughts. Pay attention to how you treat yourself a little things and just start with one thing. One little thing that you're going to change, and that's where it starts. No people always say, Well, I don't feel lovable. How can I? How can I love myself? I don't like anything about me. just dig deep. Find one thing. The color of your eyes. Find one little thing. Ask your friends. Ask somebody who likes you go with what they say. In this case you don't like find something. Just grab onto something. And allow yourself to do that. It really does start with just that little bit of love. You treat yourself the way you treat your best friends about themselves. Allow them to love you. You know, I think that if we all did that, I think that we would be so much more accepting of others as well, because I think a lot of intolerance and racism and wars and comes from not liking ourselves and just this inner anger and inner fear. And if we love ourselves more, we could accept others more.
Nadeya Hassan 57:16
Hmm. That's very powerful. Definitely something I need to hear. And I'm sure a lot of us, all of us need to all of us need to just love ourselves. And I think that what you said is just a really beautiful reminder of that. So if someone's trying to book a session with a medical intuitive, you know, there's people say snake oil salesmen out there. And I'm sure there's, you know, there's a lot of that, you know, I've tried to filter through it as well when looking for a psychic medium or intuitive. What would you say are things that people should look out for when trying to find one?
Katie Beecher 58:12
Well, I think one of the reasons why I do mine the way I do in just getting a name and age sending you a report sooner is because I can't BS it. You know, I can't fake that information. I've had people say, well, you can just look people up on Google, or you can go on their Facebook pages or something. And none of the information that I pull up or have on the report is something that's on social media, a lot of my clients don't even have it, you know, or it's blocked or something. So, it's all like, it's all like incredibly personal, and there's like 100 pieces of information. You can't get that from looking somebody up or or whatever. You can go to my website, you can look up reports you can ask me questions. I like when people ask me questions and say, well, stuff like that, you know, how do I know what you do is real or that's why I did that study. You know, I'm really open to things. The fact that I'm a licensed counselor, so I have that license, I have that credibility and what I do is really important. If somebody's making claims that just seem too good to be true, or saying that they're going to heal you, you know, or that you need them to remove attachments or that you need them to heal you or something like that. Like you don't, you know, you don't. I'm a facilitator. But I don't want make anybody dependent on me. I've had people say that medical intuitives or other, other people will want like you to commit to a whole bunch of sessions and a whole bunch of money and stuff like that. And I'm like, let's have one session, see how it goes, see what happens, you know, like, I don't push people into things. And also just like, listen to your intuition if a person doesn't feel right. Look at their reviews, like I have tons of reviews, other people do too. So look at their reviews look at like, you know, like tangible things no, like that. Um, so just kind of go with how your, what your gut says and use your intuition. I think I think empowerment is a really important, important thing. And, yeah, if somebody is like asking you a lot of questions before the session, like, is that medical attention or are they just getting information? You know what I mean? You know, just stuff like that.
Nadeya Hassan 1:01:00
Yeah, okay, well, that's really good. Well, I mean, you have tons of amazing reviews, I know that a lot of your work has just been everywhere and you are very credible and both your background and just everything that you do and the way that you deliver the information to people. So if anybody wanted to book a session with you, how can they find you?
Katie Beecher 1:01:22
My website! www.katiebeecher.com. Just go on there. And you can book right there. You can also you know, ask me questions from there and stuff as well. There's different options. But yeah, you can follow me on Instagram and all that good stuff, too. But yeah, my bad sites easiest way.
Nadeya Hassan 1:01:44
Awesome. Thank you so much, Katie. This has been so much fun
Katie Beecher 1:01:48
Thank you for having me.
Nadeya Hassan 1:01:52
I've had such a great time. Thank you. So just for being so honest and open and loving in the way that you deliver all of your messages and everything. Oh, you're so sweet. You're very welcome. My pleasure.
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